IndiaTimes Chat Transcripts: August 14, 2003
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sitara> Swamiji which is the right time and way to do Pranayam? What are the benefits that one gets from doing pranayam?
Swami Ram Swarup: Pranayam clears all the clots of the veins and resists the senses which go out and come i.e. control on all the senses and perceptions to enable us to get us salvation. Meditation afterwards too gives us final liberation. Meditation is the seventh stage of Astang Yoga whereas Pranayam is fourth. The best time of doing Pranayam is 4 am in the morning and after 7 pm in the evening. But it must be regular and asanas must be done before doing Pranayam. Pranayam gives us mental as well as physical strength and final liberation too with a long happy life.
akshay> Which asanas do you recommend we do before doing meditation and for how long?
Swami Ram Swarup: At least 8 to 10 asana must be done before doing Pranayam i.e. Sidh, Padam, Uttang, Tiddi, Sarp, Ardhmatasyandra, Bhujang, Hal, Sarvang and Gupt asanas. Each asana must be done for at least 2 minutes.
bawa> Do you honestly think that any one who takes full breath through stomach and laughs with open heart needs yoga/dhanya? Why go technical then, instead tell them the basics?
Swami Ram Swarup: Definitely yes. Because full breath and laugh is emotional action but Pranayam is a yoga philosophy, which gives us long happy life with salvation. Whereas full breath and laugh is not worship like yoga.
marc> I have read many of your answers before in which you advised that yogasans should be done at a specific time in order to give a good result. However, due to my bad schedule, I am not able to do them at a specific time. I have not missed a single day of asanas and pranayams in almost last one year but I have not done at a specific time. Is it ok to do them like this or they should only be done at a specific time?
Swami Ram Swarup: But specific time will give you the good result only. However, you please continue because you will be attaining something for sure. God has made morning and evening time, as mentioned in SamVeda: “Dosha Vasthah Dive Dive”. That is, morning and evening, and daily.
reena> How long should one meditate everyday? If I am not able to concentrate one day should I do the entire stipulated duration or should I give a break then and try later?
Swami Ram Swarup: In this connection, no break is required because it is spiritualism. Like we cannot take break in our daily food-taking. Morning one and a half hour, and evening the same time daily is required in family life. And for sanyasi it is more.
rimmee> If someone wants to learn from you swamiji, where should they get in touch with you? Do you take shishya’s also? What is the duration of the course and the charges?
Swami Ram Swarup: Yes, please. You can contact me on http://www.vedmandir.com. And before coming, you can make telephonic conversation, and first duration of learning yoga takes at least 15 days. No charges please. If you want, you can give a donation.
veena> Swamiji is it possible to break free from the karmic cycle? What should one do to achieve this?
Swami Ram Swarup: Yes, it is 100 percent possible by worship, yajna and more astang yoga. Otherwise, there will be no use of human life. Ravan, Diryodhan, etc. could not worship and could not manage to free from karmas. Whereas, rishis, munis, and disciples were out of their karmic cycle due to the true spiritual path adopted by them. The philosophy of karmas is very vast and must be learned through an experienced spiritual yogi who knows four vedas and yoga philosophy (in experience).
Signoff Message> So one success is harmful, that is materialistic, or spiritual. Both success and knowledge is required for maintaining international brotherhood, social services, and making a strong nation.
IndiaTimes Chat Transcripts
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Q 1) How does meditation help us in relieving stress?
Swami Ram Swarup: Meditation means: to reach at the seventh stage of Ashtang Yoga. That is, right from the beginning, yam, niyam, aasam, pranayam, pratyahar, dharna, dhyan… Dhyan means meditation. Yam, niyam purifies us by means of our daily routine, satya, ahimsa, astaye, bhramcharya, etc. When we reach at aasan, yoga-aasan, the aasan purify our body. Next is pranayam, whose practice purifies our mind, and all types of arteries and veins, etc. Then comes pratyahar, which stops us to do anything wrong or against religion or ved-shastras. When we have achieved all these qualities then from where depression will come? When our body is purified, when our mind (man, buddhi, chitta, ahankar) is purified by means of yoga practice, then from where any illness, depression, or sorrows will enter? Meditation is the next stage after pratyahar where we try to realize God, being purified. Because we have been purified by the practice of Yoga, as said before. And God is also purified, and he loves purification, and he thus showers all merriment, pleasure, long-life, etc. when we do Yoga practice. There is no alternative of Yoga philosophy.
Q 2) Inorder to practice yoga and meditation is it necessary to have a guru?
Swami Ram Swarup: Yes. When the world is created, then unsexual shristi (world) is created by God as mentioned in Mandal 10, Sutra 129 of Rig Veda. At that time, no learned person is available because all have left their bodies in the previous earth. So there is only one learned, who is almighty God. So he gives us knowledge as a Guru in the shape of four Vedas, mentioned in 31st chapter of Yajurveda. So, also, Patanjali Rishi in Yoga Darshan, Sutra 1/26 says that God is our first Guru at the time of creation. Thereafter alive Rishis, Munis have been giving knowledge as a Guru because until and unless knowledge is given by anybody else, no knowledge can be attained. As newly born baby, if nursed in a densy jungle cave, and is not given any language or knowledge he cannot be a learned at the age of 25 or 80. So Guru is required, but learned Guru is required who knows the Vedas, Yogas, fully. This is fundamental law of God and cannot be changed. And this law is mentioned in Vedas, Shashtras, Gita, Ramayan, etc. everywhere. But we must be aware of false prophets nowadays.
Q 3) I read somewhere that you are an engineer by profession so how did this transformation happened?
Swami Ram Swarup: I was fond of meeting with the Saints right from the beginning of my childhood. So, in my services too, I used to be alone in jungle or in home, or while posting to Ladakh, or Rajouri Punj sector, and used to study Upanishad, Gita, and used to do Yoga practice. I was met with a great Yogi whom I searched in the densy jungle of Rishikesh, who actually gave me Ashtang Yoga philosophy. So, from the childhood, I have been touched with spiritualism. My father was also in Army, who was also a spiritual person. So, when I became totally ascetic, I got my premature retirement after rendering 26 years service. I am pentioner too. So, when felt one way, and he become addict thereof, he gets the Goal at last. I also discharged my family duties, settled them and side by side I did Yoga hard practice. My disciples know, I used to awake early 2:00 o clock, and continuously used to do Yoga, and in the evening, it repeats. The main aim of the human being to get long-life and peace and to build nation strong is to do realize God. I still serving the people and the nation by donating Yog-vidya and inspiring public to discharge their duties towards family and nation. And in my books, written by me, these preaches exist.
Q 4) Swamiji, is it wrong to wish for wordly happiness and how does one know whether what one is wishing for is right or wrong for him/her? how does one know that what it is wishing for is there for the person in this birth or not? can one know oneself with astrology? is there any limitation to one’s self relisation?
Swami Ram Swarup: Our shastras want proof. As Yog shastras asked for proof to know whether it is wrong path or right path. The main proof is proof of four vedas. So whatever we say for services to people, nation or God, etc., it should be mentioned in Vedas. So if it is according to the Vedas, that is true, otherwise it is wrong. Astrology is not mentioned in the four Vedas, Shastras and Geeta, etc. The luck is only based on hard-working, pious deeds, cooperation, towards a right path say Vedas, Shastras and Holy books. Self-realization is to be attained because we have been blessed by almighty God for the same. If we are failed, then life is ruined. We will have to face our karmas as per the karmas of our previous births. To remove the effect of our previous bad deeds, worship, yoga-practice is needed. Salvation is self-realization.
Q 5) There are many stress reliving methods, why is meditation most talked about?
Swami Ram Swarup: Because meditation, which is fully known as Ashtang Yoga, being 8 path of the same (that is yam, niyam, aasan, pranayam, pratyahar, dharna, dhyan and samadhi) has been preached by the Almighty God in the vedas. So, when in comparison of God, who is almighty, and one for the whole of the world, there is no other God. He is neither born, or will be born. So, there is no alternation of Yoga Philosophy. God is supreme. Sun has been made by God. No other people can make such Sun. So Yoga has been preached by God, so no other alternation of Yoga can be preached by anybody else because nobody can be bigger than God. Almighty means, God has all powers and needs no assistant. Whereas mankind needs assistance. We are soul. Soul needs assistance to see (from eye), to hear (from ear), and so on.
Q 6) What is the perfect way to do meditation?
Swami Ram Swarup: Perfect way of meditation is mentioned fully in Vedas and thereafter briefed by Patanjali Rishi in Yoga Darshan, but until and unless an alive Yogi is met, no Yoga philosphy can be taught. So the perfect way is to search a learned Yogi. It is mentioned in the Rig Veda that an alive Yogi is required. God has briefed and praised Yogi in all four Vedas. It is very sad that nowadays most of the saints are telling that Yoga, Vedas and Yajna is needed not. This is against Indian eternal culture. So alive Yogi is only required to know the perfect way of Yoga philosphy and that Yogi must be learned of four Vedas and philospher of Yoga, like Vyasak muni, Vasisht muni, Kapil muni, and Rajrishis like King Janak, Dashrath, Harishchandra, Yayati, Ashtak, and the public thereof. So in the presence of a learned Yogi, the Yoga philosphy is achieved. This is for all family-holders as well as non-family holders, because our all Rishis munis, and all family-members, even Shri Ram and Shri Krishna, did Yoga practice while in family. So, it is very rough to say that Yoga is not for married personnel. Actually Yoga is meant for whole of the world. Being preached by Almighty God, who nurses the world creation. When sun, moon, air, water, etc. and every article of the world is applicable by all human beings, that is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, etc. then why not Vedas and Yoga? – which is also made by God. So Vedas and Yoga is not a sect, and must be accepted by all human beings faithfully, as adopted in previous 3 periods – satyug, dvapar, treta.
Q 7) What causes jeevatma to become attached to materialistic articles (prakrati)? You had said that “Satsangatwe Nihisangatwam”. What can be done to cure this attachment if we cannot get Satsang often?
Swami Ram Swarup: The jivatma is attached with its nature of Parishwangdharmi. Without satsang nothing can be achieved.
Q 8) How successful has your philosophy and unique negative approach been for the advancement of Hinduism? What is your modus oprendi?
Swami Ram Swarup: The Vedas and Yoga philosophy has been successful. First of all, for me, because I have felt pleasure like everything and I am away from every kind of dirt and illusion. And the same is being preached by me to my disciples, who have also achieved a lot. And at Internet also, so many answers I receive, in which they say that they are satisfied and they have solved their problems. And this philosphy has also promote the brotherhood internationally, that is why I had tours of America, Singapore, and Indonesia, and specially all religions respect this philosphy. My approach is according to the four Vedas, six Shastras, Geeta, Ramayan. And the Vedas being eternal knowledge of God, so cannot be negative approach. So my way is to preach Vedas and every religious preach by writing books, articles in magazines and newspaper, personal speaks, and daily worship by Yajna and spiritual songs. And I am satisfied for the same, and this approach does not deny other religious philosphy. So, it is not a negative approach being according to eternal knowledge of four vedas.
Q 9)I have done Reiki and meditation both, but sometimes they both are not able to help me relax. What should I do? Am I doing something wrong?
Swami Ram Swarup: The right way I have already told that there is Ashtang Yoga in the world preached by God in the Vedas. So you will get the good result when you will start right from the beginning. That is yam, niyam, pranayam, etc. But, nowadays, so many kinds of Yoga are being taught, like Hathyoga, Sahajyoga, and Laya-yoga, etc. But in Vedas there is only one Yoga.
Q 10) Swamiji, how can one stay away from the fear of ghosts? Does meditation provide any solution to this?
Swami Ram Swarup: Ghost is not on the Vedas. This you can treat illusion of psychological effect, so when we will study Vedas and will become learned automatically this fear is over. Yes, proper meditation also makes a man understand that there is no any ghost. Because the Yoga philosphy will be preached by a learned Yogi, where he will preach Vedas knowledge also, which will clear the doubt of ghost. Already I talked that Vedas asked proof. When there is no any proof in Vedas, Shastras, Upanishads, Geeta, regarding ghosts, so it is not true.
Q 11) Why do good people always suffer and evil prosper, sometimes it makes me wonder if there’s a god or not….
Swami Ram Swarup: This is all due to the result of our previous births’ deeds, which oftenly are not known by everybody. Yajurveda says, human being does deeds and result is awarded by God. So, unnecessarily God does not give problems to human beings. The problem is only due to our own karmas. There are three types of karmas – sanchit, prarabdha, and kriyavan. Kriyavan is important, because kriyavan karmas are being done presently and if we do pious deeds presently, like worship, Yoga, etc. then we become able to finish all the previous karmas, and become happy, because we then have no karmas to face. The karma philosphy is to be understood. Ravan was a King and happy, but destroyed. Similarly, Duryodhan, Kansa, Aurangzeb, etc.
Q 12) Is meditation more effective if done at a specific time?
Swami Ram Swarup: Yes please. The time of meditation must be selected and it must be faithful if it is four o clock early in the morning first. And then can be selected in the evening. Minimum 10 aasans must be done daily and pranayam thereon. Spiritual books should be read. So, the Yoga practice done at the correct time daily is more useful than the disturbed times.
Closing message:
Swami Ram Swarup: We are all human beings and must respect each religion and personnel, and promote brotherhood internationally. Yoga and Veda is not a “mazhab”, being preached by God of all human beings and God is also not a “mazhab”. God has created universe, sun, moon, air, etc. which are being used by all human being, keeping aside the sects, and the castes. So the Vedas and Yoga must be accepted by all human beings for a long, happy, life, which everybody want.
Vedanta, and other Shastras
The original name of Vyas Munni was Krishan Dwipayan son of Rishi Prashar and mother Satyawati. He did tapsya and learnt four Vedas traditionally from Rishi and enlighted. At that time no other modren religions raised and there was only four Vedas the knowledge direct from God originated in the heart of Agni, Vaayu, Aditya and Angira originated at the time of creation. Vedas knowledge from mouth to mouth and heart to heart. That is why Patanjali Rishi in his Yoga shashtra says in Sutra 1/26 that Almighty God is the first Guru of our ancient Rishis named above. Vedas are not books this knowledge was mouth to mouth by heart. First time in Dwapur approximately 5300 years back Vyas Muni wrote the Vedas on Bhoj patra and when press came then Vedas were published. It is a fundamental law that untill knowledge is given it cannot be attained by others. When first time universe is created then there become no Guru who could give knowledge to the whole illterate personal of the universe. So God is our first Guru who gives Vedas knowledge to four Rishis and uptill now the Rishis, Munis who knew and knows (at present) Vedas becomes our Gurus. This is fundamental and can not be changed at our own accord. Kapil Muni in Samkhya shastra sutra 2/25 clearly says that the truth based on eternal proof from Vedas can not be denied merely based on our own baseless thinking.
Still if we nurse new born baby in a densy cave of a jungle and do not give him any knowledge then even in the age of 25 or thirty he will not be able to speak and to tell any name of materialistic articles mother or father. Because he was not taught. At the time of creation the whole man or woman in the unsexual world become totally illiterate because the learned Rishi Muni of previous universe which is destroyed are not available in the new creation. So only Almighty God gives knowledge of Vedas to the four Rishis named above. This is fundamental and but natural under law of God at the time of eachcreation. Thus the Rishis studied the Vedas traditionally and got knowledge about Prakriti from whom world is created, jivatma(soul) and God. And endless knowledge of every matter in the universe mentioned in Vedas so our previous Rishis were real scientist too. After getting knowledge grom Vedas the six shashtras, upnishads, Bhagwat Geeta and other holy books were written.
1. Nyay shashtra is written by Mahrishi Gautam. This shashtra has five chapters (538 sutras) in which he has explained 16 matter for obtaining final liberation by which we reach to our motto that is called Nyay. Nyay shashtra mostly explains general knowledge and solutions of problems.Details about soul and salvation and the knowledge of the Almighty God. Butmainly this shashtra says about 16 matters as a proof cited above. Now a days mostly the saints do not give proof of Vedas, mantras whatever they say based on their study and listening which is sin. Manu Smriti shalok 255 chapter 4 says —-YEHA ANYATHA SANTMATMANAMANYATHA——that he who says baselessly (without proof of Vedas) he is thief of his own soul. So based on the knowledge of the four Vedas Rishis wrote shashtras etc., otherwise they could not.
2. Vaishashik shashtra is written by Maharishi Kannad. Rishi means he who has got full knowledge of four Vedas and ashtang yoga but it is astonished that most of the modern saints do not know abc about yoga and Vedas but they write themselves Braham Rishi. Vaishashik Shashtra has 10 chapters (370 sutras). In this shashtra details of six matters, nine dravya, 14 qualities five type of karmas etc., are given and it says that dharms that by which param sukh (pleasure) of this birth and after leaving this body (lok and parlok) is attained.
3. Samkhya shashtra is written by Kapil Muni (6 chapters and 451 sutras) which says about Prakriti, Raj ,tam, sat guna describing 25 main matters. And the main purpose of our birth is to kill sorrows, problems tensions,etc., ( three types of taap i.e., sorrows) to attain salvation.
4. Yoga shashtra is written by Patanjali Rishi (4 paad and 194 sutras) which explains about ashtang yoga i.e., yam, niyam, asan, pranayam, pratyahar, dharna, dhayan and samadhi, the real way to attain the salvation.
5. Mimansa shashtra is written by Maharishi Gaimini (12 chapters 60 paad, 2731 sutras). This shashtra says that religion is only known by studying the Vedas because Vedas are the self proof being eternal knowledge of Almighty God.
6. Vedanta shashtra is written by Maharishi Vyas (4 chapters, 555 sutras) this shastra says about God. Vedanta means the last chapter of Vedas. It says that we all human beings must follow the right path of Vedas to do worship of Almighty God to get final liberation.
So main object of all the six shashtras is to realise God while discharging moral duties and the knowledge in these shashtras is 100% from four Vedas which every Rishi has told in his respective shashtras. The subjects are different but the motto andviews of all the shashras are one i.e., to realise God which is main motto of four Vedas. Vedas have so many subjects but Rishis has taken one subject from Vedas in their respective shashtra. So shashtras are not contradictory as usually most of the modren saints say. Full knowledge of the Vedas can not be written in one life being so vast and deep so every Rishi haschosen one small subject from Veda’s vast knowledge. There is no any modren shashtra written by anybody else who is a philosopher of Vedas like Vyas or Kapil Muni etc.
Beneficial are only four Vedas, thereafter shashtras etc.
Yoga Philosophy & Meditation (17)
VIPARYAYO MITHYAGYANAM ATADROOPPRATISHTHAM (1/8)
Word Meaning:
Atad- not real;
roop-form;
pratishtham-established;
Mithyagyanam-false knowledge;
Viparyayaha-false knowledge.
MEANING:
Which is not established in the matter that false knowledge is Viparyaya.
Viparyaya means false knowledge. Therefore Viparyaya Vritti is untrue and is not accepted as a proof. For example— In the darkness with few lights we see a rope and doubtfully we consider the rope as a snake. But in fact neither the form of snake did not establish in the rope nor rope itself a snake. But to see the snake in the rope or in the rope we see the form of snake is Viparyaya Vritti i.e., false knowledge. This Vritti is not true and as such is not acceptable as a proof, because when the rope will be seen in the light then the false knowledge will be over and true knowledge is realized that this is rope and is not snake.
Therefore the Viparyaya Vritti of the Chitta is of false knowledge and cannot be considered as a proof. So we can say that the matter which is having its real form and if its real form is not seen in it, then it is called Viparyaya Vritti.
For-example- human body and whole matter of the world are mortal, but due to the attraction and being indulged in illusion we consider the same immortal.
It is due to Chitta’s Viparyaya Vritti which gives sorrows and if an aspirant become an ascetic knowing the word mortal and thus the aspirant starts worshipping God or practicing Ashtang Yoga, then this is Chitta’s Aklishta Viparyaya Vritti which gives no sorrows. We must always think that our forefathers have gone to the final resting place but could not take a single pie with them. But due to the effect of this Klishta Viparyaya Vritti up till the point of death the man or woman remains after the materialistic world. So the Yoga Practice enables an aspirant to remove the effect of Klishta Viparyaya Vritti for attaining Salvation. The description of Vikalpa Vritti will follow.
Temples
Sriram: THERE IS GOD IN EVERY HUMAN BEING. THEN WHY DO TEMPLES EXIST
Swami Ram Swarup: Temples are man-made but human body, where Almighty God resides and is realised, is God made. Authenticated that is true proof of qualities of Almighty God is only available in 4 Vedas wherein it is stated in Yajurveda Mantra 32/3 that “NA TASY PRATIMA ASTI” means there is no any shape or statue of Almighty God being omnipresent and in Mantra 31/2 it is stated that only one God is there who creates, nurses & destroy the Universe & after destroying again creates & so on. Thus at that time the necessity of temple was not deemed fit. God has no any assistance. Upanishads says ‘TAD SRISHTA TADNU PRAVISHT’ means God created Universe & entered therein. So HE is everywhere & omnipresent.
To realize God chapter 7 of Yajurveda & other three Vedas clearly says that Yajna, study of Vedas & holy books & specially Ashtang Yoga practice is required in family while discharging the duties. For this very purpose a real spiritual masterthat philosopher of four Vedas & Ashtang Yoga (practically) is basically required.
During this materialistic period this traditional task has been ear marked tough by mostly saints & public under influence of so called saints. For-example Tulsi says in Ramayan “DWIJ SHRUTI BECHAK” i.e., present Gurus have sold Vedas means they never study Vedas & do know nothing about Vedas & Yoga. In next says “SHRUTI BIRODH RAT SAB NAR NARI” means man, woman & their children have taken bold step against the Vedas. There are so many Chopais (couplet) in every kand of Ramayan giving knowledge of Vedas & Yoga, but it is heart broken shock to our traditional culture of Vedas that mostly the present saint or katha vachak avoid its explanation to the public with one or the other reason.
You see if there is no sun then there is no light. This is fundamental law. Similarly if there is no knowledge of Vedas, there will be no wisdom about matter, soul Almighty God & difference between the qualities of said true matters. Up to the time of Mahabharta there was no temple. Thereafter the knowledge of Vedas decreased & between two to three thousands years the temple has been made. It is also true that Vedas knowledge is also available in Valmiki Ramayan, which is the first holy book on the Earth written before one crore eighty lakhs years. Secondly Mahabharta & Bhagwat Geeta (an extract of BhishamParva of Mahabharta)thereof, 6 Shashtras, Upanishads & other holy books related to Vedas, like Shatpath Brahmin Granth etc. But problem is this that there description, comments & explanation have been based mostly on sects or on self made views of present some of the saints whereas the said books written by ancient Rishis (¬ by saints because at that time there were only Rishis, Munis & Ashtang Yogis available in force who were philosophers of Vedas and no other holy books of present time were written) are totally on Vedas & not based on present sects.
So the reason of the temples is only due to the decrease knowledge of Vedas for the last about three thousands years because before this period there was no temple continuously since the time of creation that is more than one Arab & 96 crore years. Temple provision is only in the sects & not in the Vedas & above said holy books.
Origin of Hindu Religion
Kewin: swamiji, you claim that hindu religion exists from 3000 thousands year,do you have any proof for this existence, and if so the whole world would have been only hindus,but 54 percent in the world population are christians and 40 percent are muslims and the rest are others and the hindus are there only in india, why so. regards kewin
Swami Ram Swarup:
This is a truth that even today every religion decide the truth or untruth based on its religious holy book. This is also a well known fact & world accepts it that in the world’s library (in Britain also)there are four Vedas as the ancient holy book of the world. Yajurveda chapter 31, Rigveda Mandal 10 sukta 129, Atharvaveda 8/11/3-6 & Saamveda 617 already say that the knowledge of four Vedas is direct from Almighty God at the time of creation. Knowledge can be given only when someone gives knowledge to others. That is why before more than 5000 years Rishi Patanjali told in Yog Shashtra Sutra 1/26 that almighty God is the Spiritual master of all human beings. In the Vedas there is no mention of any sects & caste system. We the mankind are the children of only one Almighty God, our father. Manu Smariti is also a holy book written by Manu after studying Vedas. Manu Smariti give the proof in its chapeter one that the present time of the Earth is 7th Manvanter uptil now 6 Manvanter have passed. Those are Swayambhar, Swarochish, Ottmi, Tamas, Ryivat & Chakshash, now its 7th Manvanter. 71 Chaturyugi=1 Manvanter. There are four Yug: Satyug, Treta, Dwapur & Kaliyug.
Satyug = 17 lakhs 28 thousand years
Treta = 12 lakhs 96 thousand years
Dwapar = 8 lakhs 64 thousand years
Kaliyug = 4 lakhs 32 thousand years
The total of four yugas comes to 43 lakhs & 20 thousand years which is equal to one Chaturyugi. 71 Chaturyugi i.e., 30 crore 67 lakhs & 20 thousand years equal to one Manvanter & 6 Manvanter have yet passed whose calculation comes to one Arab 84 crore 30 lakhs & 20 thousand years. This is 7th Manvanter & 28 Chaturyugi & the present Kaliyug has passed its time of 5002 years. So uptil now the age of the earth & Vedas is one Arab 96 crore 8 lakhs 53 thousands & 2 years. Bhagwat Geeta Shaloka 8/17 also says about this fact. ManuSmariti Shaloka 1/64 to 1/80 also says at that time there were no any sects or caste system. And there was no any word Hindu at that time.
The word Hindu is also not mentioned in holy books, Upnishads, Shashtras & Valmiki Ramayan, Shatpath Brahmin Granth etc. And in these holy books there is no any word Hindus or sects or caste system, where as it is clearly mentioned in every chapter of thereof that there is only one God of the Universe. Yajurveda chapter 31, Rigveda Mandal 10 Sukta 129 Mantra 1-6, Saam veda Mantra 11/8/3-6 says that this Universe including Earth and all human beings is the creation of one Almighty God. Manu Smariti Shaloka 1/21 also says that cow, horse, mankind etc., made by God and its name were made from Vedas. Shaloka 1/136-141 & 2/17 says that on whole of the Earth, the man & woman took birth only in Trivishtup.
Those who have good qualities they were named Arya and who were entangled in bad deeds were called Dasyu (dacoit or Asur). The whole of the mankind at that time were called Aryans and Dasyus accordingly. After so many years the Aryans came down and where they started living they name the place Aryavrat and long afterwards it was named as Bhartvarsh. Bharat means Vedvani that is Ved Mantras in four Vedas as mentioned in Rigveda Mantra 3/53/12. The meaning of said Mantra is that Almighty God does protection of all those who know and respect the Bhartam (Ved Mantras).
So untill the voice of four Vedas is there in Indians, there will be automatically protection from God because Ved Mantras is the knowledge originated in the heart of selected four pious souls of previous Earth at the time of the present creation, there names are Agni, Vaayu, Aaditya & Angira Rishi. Vedas are thus not books, this is knowledge generated in the heart of the said four Rishis.
Long after that is after one Arab & more than 86 crore years this knowledge which was being learned by heart generation to generation by mouth was written on Bhoj Patra by Vyas Muni & in 18th century it was published. Most of the Indians have forgotten this eternal & Supernatural Vedas knowledge wherein there is only one GOD of the Universe who creates, nurses &destroy the Universe & again after destroying HE creates again. This is faith on Vedas as is the faith of every man or woman in their respective religious book. The Aryavrat countries are is in North Himalaya, in South Vindhyachal, in East & west ocean & river Saraswati, in west Attak river & in east Drishdawati river which is originated from east Nepal mountain and goes to Assam(East Bengal) and from west of Burma to South ocean which is now called Brahmputra. From north moutains to south ocean where Attak river is mixed with ocean. From Himalaya Equator to moutains of south upto Rameshwar & in Vindhyachal the whole area was called Aryavrat country whose present name is Bhartvarsh or Hindustan or India in English. Mahabharta also tells about the same fact. In view of this it is proved that all mankind took birth in Tibet. And there was no any sect at that time.
Mahabharta or Bhagwat Geeta was written by Vyas Muni about 5084 years back. And Valmiki Ramayan was written about nine crore years back. In these authenticated holy books there is also no mention of any sect or caste system. We all mankind were called Aryans upto 5000 years back and thereafter too. The Indian philosophy who has given so many philosophies and views forbenefit of mankind and human beings uptil now. There were Takshila & Nalanda University where the students from all parts of the world used to come to study Vedas & other subjects. Those all were called Aryans at that time. First time Greeks & Unanis used the word Indu for Sindhu ocean and the public lived on the bank of Sindhu. Thereafter Arabians & inhabitants of Farasstarted saying word Hindi to the Aryans lived across Sindhu river. So whosoever was living across the Sindhu was called Indu. & now Hindu either Muslim, Christian etc. So Hindu word was used for all who lived across the Sindhu. When there was no any word Hindu except Aryans before 5000 years and thereafter too then it is clear that it is being used for the last 2-3 thousand years back.
Within these years too Islam, Jain, Bodh, Christianity, Sikh religion came into existence & who were after Vedas Shastras, Upanishads, Brahmin Granth, Bhagwat Geeta, Ramayan were studying as before have been named with word Hindu instead Aryans. Whole of the world knows about the fact of origin of these religions. So whole of the world can’t be considered Hindu now at this belated stage. The study of all religions conclude that no any religion preach hate or war or quarrelling etc. Every religion speaks about love together, worship of one Almighty God, live and let live and to promote brotherhood internationally. The whole mankind thus try to remove the ravages of hatred at all level.
Lecture 16
We have learnt about Prataksha and Anumaan Pramaan Vritti.
Now we come to Aagam Pramaan. Actually these Vrittis give proof to know the truth. It is very much clear in our Vedas/Shashtras that whatever truth about auspicious deeds or worship is to be set up, we will have to give proof of anyone Vritti out of the said three Vrittis. If our worship/auspicious deeds comes under these Vrittis, then it is true and whatever we do if it does not tally with the said Vrittis then it becomes untrue. However now a days due to lack of study of Vedas/Shashtras. Mostly we do not consider the said the traditional knowledge of Vedas.
There are two kinds of Aagam Pramaan Vritti—
1. Vedas
2. Aapta Purush (the wiser who learnt Vedas and did Yoga) suppose we are worshiping/discharging our duties then if the method of our worship etc., is mentioned in Vedas then it is called Aagam Pramaan Vritti.
Similarly if our said processes is acepted by an alive wiser who had studied Vedas and got final liberation,then it is too called Aagam Pramaan Vritti. In this connection Vyas Muni also says when the Aapta Purush (wiser) delivers the knowledge to any other person i. e., the knowledge which he himself practised/adopted in his life like study of Vedas and attaining final liberation, then the second person gets the knowledge. Then the faculty which receive the knowledge from the Aapta Rishi is called Aagam Pramaan Vritti. Vyas Muni further says that basically preacher of the Vedas is Almighty God who is always exempted from doing any deed,impression of bad deeds etc., and false knowledge ,but the human beings are always indulged in the said three qualities.
Therefore the knowledge of the four Vedas which emanates from Almighty God is self proof and comes under Aagam Pramaan. It means in the Ved Mantra whatever has been preached requires no proof, Vedas being self proof which comes under Aagam Pramaan. The second Aagam Pramaan is the preach given by the alive Aapta Purush(wiser i. e., spiritual master) Vyas Muni here says that who has studied Vedas, done Tapsya and done Ashtang Yoga practice and thus has realized God, he is a true impartial preacher. In Vedas this kind of Aapta Purush(wiser) is called Mantra Drishta Rishi.
Mantra Drishta Rishi is the Rishi who has seen the Ved Mantras with in him during Samadhi/Salvation. So the preach of such Rishi is called Aagam Pramaan. The knower of God and who saw the Ved Mantras were Maharishi Vyas ,Patanjali,Vishwamitra etc., they knew the true religion and even false one also. They knew the deepest and true meaning of the Mantras ,its knowledge and science properly and that is why they were called Aapta Purush(wiser).
The six Shashtras written by the Rishi based on Vedas are also true and comes under “Pratah Pramaan”. At present also the matters ,knowledge and deeds etc., which comes under Aagam Pramaan are only true. When we follow the preaches based on Aagam Pramaan and becomes Ascetic and follow the true path then it is called Aklishta Aagam Pramaan Vritti(gives no sorrows) and everything against this is Klishta Vritti which gives always sorrows.
So we must learn Yoga philosophy which is based on traditional Aagam Pramaan Vritti. When an aspirant studies Yoga philosophy and practice Ashtang Yoga practically then only he attains Samadhi and realizes Almighty God. Therefore merely study, learning by heart thereof and then speaks before public does not come under Aagam Pramaan Vritti and is thus against the Vedas. So we must not praise lecture specially on spiritualism which are only based onmere study only. I quote a story here :———-
There was a hunter who hitted a parrot. The wounded parrot fell before a Saint who nursed him. The saint used to preach the parrot that —“Oh! Hunter I have understood your tricks and I shall not be caught again in your net. ” After few days when the parrot became alright the Saint freed him. Once the Saint saw a hunter in the jungle with broken heart and perplexed face. On inquiring, the hunter told the saint that he (hunter ) used to come in the jungle for huntingBut today he saw the bunch of parrots reciting that they have known my tricks and they will not be caught in the net again. Then the Saint surprised but he still told the hunter to go to the site of parrots and to spread his net as usual. The hunter obeyed and astonished to see that every parrot was speaking the lesson—— “Oh! Hunter I have understood your tricks and I shall not be caught again in the net” , but all the parrots were flying down and were being caught there. So it concludes that mere studying of spiritual teaching like parrot will not escape us from indulging in sins. The parrot become habitual of reciting the above preach but did not know about the fact that what is net and who is hunter? So preach requires Aagam Pramaan.
Here the Pramaan Vritti ends. And description of Viparyayo Vritti will follow.
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