Lalit: Swamiji, how were the three elder Pandavs born? Is it scientific?
Swami Ram Swarup: Yes please, five Pandavas birth was scientific. Kunti adopted the Vedic law, i.e. Niyog and got Yudhishtra, Bheem and Arjun. Then Maduri adopted the same procedure and got Nakul and Sahdev.
The rules made in Vedas do not break the justice. So, to apply the procedure of Niyog, the pativrat dharma is not damaged, if the rules of Vedas are fully obeyed. I mean to say, the woman and man were selected by the elders and with the consent of both man and woman, they must be well educated in the knowledge of Vedas, brahamcharya etc. They, would have been following the performance of daily hawan, Ashtang Yoga Practice, name jaap, they must have full control on their five senses, perceptions and mind. When the lady becomes pregnant, both should cut their physical relation immediately forever and the lady must reside in her husband’s house like Amba, Ambalika, Kunti. Newly born baby should be given the name of the father who is husband of the lady etc. This procedure is adopted with the concurrence of all family members, elders, society not alone. So, at present I never see such widow or her family and so called selected man who have been following
strict path of the Vedas.
Amba, Ambalika were learned ladies and the children were got by them from Vyas muniji who was renounced Ved mantra drishta Rishi and Yogi. He has written Mahabharat (Bhagwad Geeta) and Vedant Shastra.
Kunti who was also a vidushi got children from a Rishi/Yogi named Surya dev, Dharam Raj, Indra Dev etc. Now, from where such Yogis and such Vidushi women will be made available? So, due to the lack of knowledge of Vedas, such procedure is totally not applicable nowadays because mostly the people now see the lady for sexual enjoyment etc., only which is a sin and vice-versa.
Dr. Harish Arya: I want to know something about the origin of world according to Vedic religion.
Swami Ram Swarup: The creation is eternal and automatic. There is no date of creation of the following:
(A) Almighty God who is alive, immortal, formless, creates, nurses and destroys the universe. He never indulges in any maya, mahamaya, illusion and deeds (good or bad. Yajurveda Mantra 40/8 and Yog shastra Sutra 1/26 also refer)
(B) Soul: Soul is alive, the purest, away from sins etc. but illusion covers the soul due to which soul forgets his original form and hence remains in sorrows, problems etc.
C) Prakriti: Non-alive and has three qualities. i.e., Raj, tam, Satva. At a proper time, the power of God acts in prakriti and the universe is created. So the creation is eternal and automatic.
Raj, Tam and Satva are the three qualities of prakriti. When the said gunnas remain idle dormant i.e., do not work, then combination of these three gunnas(qualities) in dormant stage is called prakriti and this time is called “final destruction” of the universe. When an appropriate time comes, the creation is to be started again. Then the power of God works in the above three gunnas i.e., in the prakriti and immediately the creation starts. Rajo gunn is a sign of sensuousness etc., Tamo gunn signifies laziness and sato gunn signifies ego, pride. Our human body is also made of the said three gunnas.
Vedas tell that there are three eternal/immortal matters- first: Almighty God, second: souls, third: prakriti. Almighty God creates, nurses and destroys the universe and again creates it. The said process of creation is eternal/immortal/everlasting. Almighty God creates the universe from prakriti. When the raj, tam and satva gunnas of prakriti remain idle (dormant condition/inactive) then creation does not take place. At an appropriate time, a power of Almighty God acts in prakriti (i.e., in Raj, tam and satva gunnas). Immediately the process of creation starts and the first matter of prakriti is made which is called –Mahat i.e., mind; from Mahat- ahankar is made, from ahankar panch (5) tan matrayein, from panch (5) tanmatrayein, panch (5) mahabhoot are created. From panch mahabhoot, the entire matter of universe i.e., Sun, Moon air, water , our bodies, bodies of other living beings etc., are created. The whole creation is thus created from prakriti
and remains still (in active) like a statue. This creation is called non-sexual creation. In the said creation, the young human bodies are created which are neither old nor babies. Then by the power of God, in the said bodies, breathing system (prann vaayu) starts operating. At last, God enters into the universe and immediately all the humans and other living beings become alive and start functioning. Similarly, the non-alive matters like Sun, moon, earth, air, water etc., start their respective functions.
Creation, Science, worldly matters etc., is not possible until the same is created by someone. Secondly, knowledge is attained when knowledge is imparted by someone.
Rigveda mantra 10/129/ 1-6 throw light about creation that at that time, there was nothing and no living beings did exist. So there was no learned acharya who could give the knowledge to the newly created living beings like parents who educate the children to make them able to speak language and to know about the matters like crow, animals, chapati, ghee, sun, moon i.e., all matters of the world. See, if a newly born baby is managed to live in dense jungle and nursed well but he is not given education about the worldly matters etc. i.e., mathematics, science, animals, sun, moon etc., then even at the young age of 20-25, 30 years, he will not be able to speak any language and when he will be brought out of the cave of dense jungle and will be asked about the sun, moon, animals, birds before him, then he will not be able to reply because he was not given the said knowledge.
When we see towards sun, moon, air, space, human body etc. It is clearly understood that the said creation has not been made by any human being but Almighty God, from whom the knowledge of four Vedas emanates. In Vedas, the knowledge right from straw to Brahma has been mentioned. So in the beginning of non-sexual earth, the Vedas originated in the heart of four rishis: Agni, Vaayu, Aditya and Angira, and from the rishis the knowledge of science, deeds and worship along with every matter is being given to the public by which the public became educated scientist and wrote books, etc.
In Vedas as well as in fourth chapter of Yog Shastras of Rishi Patanjali, it is mentioned that those who do not believe in God are provided more and more facilities by nature and such people get spoiled etc.
On the contrary those who worship God, they naturally try to kill their desires and accordingly under the law, nature, help them to follow the true path to realize the God.
It is also pertinent to mention here that in Vedas, there is no mention of avtarwad or any proper noun, please. Vedas do not even contain any story or past, present or future life of anyone. Vedas contain knowledge i.e., entire science, form of deeds/duties and worship of God. Actually Vedas give knowledge right from straw to Brahma (God) of entire universe.
All four Vedas tell to worship a formless, Almighty, omnipresent, omniscient God who creates, nurses and destroys the universe. God was one, is one and shall ever remain one. He is unchangeable, unchallengeable and beyond description. He has unlimited qualities and thus unlimited names but is one. Because He is Almighty and needs no help of anyone to create, nurse and destroy the universe therefore no need to take avtar.
Lalit: If a soul has got salvation than can it itself decide to come to earth and take birth in the form of human beings to help the masses in general. Can a realised soul that is free from all its deeds and is not in body help people from where ever soul lives after realisation?
Swami Ram Swarup: Yes please. According to Atharvaveda mantra 9/10/11 the liberated soul can take birth at his own to help the public, etc. Therefore the soul leaves the body.
Without taking body, no any liberated soul is able to do the beneficial deeds to any person because the liberated soul is not seen by an ordinary soul who resides in body. The ordinary soul when leaves body remains in Sushupt stage i.e., like a comma stage with the result the ordinary soul cannot see others. Secondly the ordinary souls leave their eye, ear, nose, skin, tongue i.e., all means of looking, etc., on the pyre.