Harsh: Swamiji kya yeh naari ki vedic duty hai ki woh shaadi k baad apna ghar tyaag kar apne pati k ghar jaaye..swamiji eshwar ne aisa niyam kyun banaya? Swamiji India meinkuch aisi societies hai aur africa mein bhi jahan ladkeshaadi k baad ladkik ghar jaatey hai aur aisi societies centuries se hai..agar yeh ved virudh hai tohswamijiaisi society abh tak exists kyun kar rahi hai? matriarchal yaani stree pradhaan society kyun iswar komanzoor nahi issey kya kharaabi hoti hai? kynki iss baat kolekar feminist logo ne kaafi vivaad khada kar diya hai..
Swami Ramswarup: Parmeshwar ke banaye Vedic niyam hum sub ke liye gyan vardhak evam sukhdayak hain.
Inhein challenge nahi kiya ja sakta vedon mein nari ko dharti ka roop aur purush ko akash ka swaroop diya hai. Nari mein adhik sahanshakti hai aur ghar basane ke sanskar hain. Phalswaroop hee weh apne mata-pita ka ghar tyag kar pati ke ghar jaatee hai aur yeh vedon kee agya bhi hai. Baaki jo societies aisa niyam bana rahee hain ki ladke shadi ke baad ladki ke ghar jaate hain weh unkee apnee khud kee marzi hai, apna custom hai, usmein koi aitraaz nahi kar sakta, Han! Yeh bhi satya hai ki vedon mein aisa niyam nahi hai.
Ishwar ko kya manzoor hai aur kya manzoor nahi, is par to vidwaan log koi bhi sawaal khada nahi kar sakte kyunki Ishwar ke niyam pakshpaat rahit aur sabke kalyann ke liye hote hain aur yeh satya jub tak koi vidwaan ke sang baithkar vedon ka adhyayan nahi karta tab tak samajh nahi aa sakte.
Ved Ishwareeya Vanni hai. In this regard, I paste my article below:-
God has made universe and blessed us with human body to do pious deeds to attain salvation only. He has not made any heaven or hell. All have to face the result of their deeds, good or bad here only, even by taking rebirth. (Rigved mantras 10/135/1,2 refer)
God has not only made universe but has also given knowledge of four Vedas where answers to your and everyone’s questions have been given. There are four Vedas:
1. Rig Veda – gives knowledge of science, matter of the universe like sun, moon, air, body etc., etc.
2. Yajurved – gives knowledge of all the deeds and duties to be performed by men, women, students, leaders, king, agriculturist etc., etc., etc.
3. Samved – gives knowledge how to worship God who gives peace and long happy life etc. In this way, details of Yoga philosophy, qualities, supreme deeds and nature of the God are also given.
4. Atharvaved – gives details of God, medical science and details of medicine etc.
Actually in four Vedas there is unlimited knowledge. Yajurved mantra 40/8 says that God is everywhere, is Almighty, formless, devoid of nervous system, purest, away from sins and does not have to face any result of any karmas (deeds), knows every soul, knows what is in everyone’s mind, no body has made God, but God creates universe, has given the eternal knowledge of four Vedas and always gives the said knowledge at the beginning of every universe to know the science and deeds to all concern. Similarly four Vedas say about God that God is an omnipresent, omniscient, formless, beyond imagination and beyond calculation. Actually God has unlimited qualities. There is only one God who creates, nurses, destroys the universe and recreates. Atharvaved mantra 4/1/1 also says that God gives the knowledge of Vedas at the beginning of the earth to four Rishis of non-sexual creation. And thereafter only public listens Vedas through Rishis- Munis as yet and become learned. Rig-Veda gives knowledge of Almighty, Yajurved gives knowledge of karmas (deeds), Samved tells about worship-Yoga philosophy and Atharvaved about medicines and God. Actually all Vedas commonly says about God also, so this is about Vedas in short. But the knowledge of Vedas is endless.
It is a fundamental law that knowledge is always given by somebody. Otherwise knowledge can’t be gained at any cost. If a new born baby is nursed well in a dense jungle and is not educated then he will not be able to gain any knowledge even if he becomes young or old. So we have to think about the origin of the knowledge prevalent in the world today. In this connection the Vedas themselves say that God gives this knowledge to four Rishis. As said by Rishi Patanjali in Yog shastra sutra 1/26, God is the first Guru of the four Rishis. Yajurved mantra 31/7 also refers. This is all in short about Vedas.
The Vedas are not a book, rather it is a knowledge originated in the heart of Rishis. At the time of beginning of the earth those Rishis preached Vedas by mouth and all others remembered the same orally. At that time there was no pen, pencil, paper, etc. This process of studying Vedas orally remained till Mahabharata time. Muni Vyas too remembered Vedas traditionally by heart. Then Muni Vyas for the first time wrote the Vedas on Bhoj patra about 5300 years ago. In 16th century when printing press came into existence then the Vedas were printed. Still Vedas are not those which have been printed but those which are preached by mouth by an Acharya/yogi and the printed Vedas are called Sanhita.
Now if somebody worships a statue etc., then it is their own creation please but Vedas deny. According to Vedas the best worship of the God is Yajyen for which all Vedas are self-proof. Yajurved mantra 31/16 says that the learned persons worship God by Yajyen.
So many people have asked me that most of the scholars/preachers of different religion state that their religion incorporates all matters of the world including science. What about Vedas? I wrote so many Ved Mantras describing science matters therein. For example, Yajurved Mantra 3/6 states
“Ayam Gauhu Swaha Pitram Puraha Prayan Mataram Prishnihi
This earth revolves around the Sun in the space and it also rotates on its own axis. Vedas are eternal like God because Vedas emanate from God. Now, according to Vedas, this present creation is about 1 Arab, 96 crores, 8 lakh 53,111 years old. So are theVedas but as said in Rigved Mantra 10/191/3 the present creation is same as was the previous one and this process of creation is eternal. So are the Vedas which emanate from eternal God. This all concludes that Vedas are the oldest in this creation also and no other book of science, maths or pertaining to spiritualism is written before Vedas.
Like the above example of rotation and revolution of earth, the significance of whole present science is mentioned in Vedas. We can see that whatever is happening in the universe, is all according to the Vedas. For example, occurrence of six seasons, actions of Sun, moon, process of death, birth, worship, yoga philosophy, atomic energy, agriculture, animal husbandry, knowledge of politics, administration, architecture, solar energy, knowledge of home appliances like mixer, grinder, business rules, about men, women, children, marriage, Brahmacharya, education, clothes etc., etc., i.e., knowledge right from a straw to Brahma is all in Vedas. God is Almighty and has unlimited powers. So through His power He is able to originate the knowledge of Vedas in the heart of four Rishis without pencil, paper, help of mouth or any other worldly assistance.
We, i.e., the whole world depends on Almighty God but God is forever independent. That is why, He is God. We are the souls who reside in human bodies. We need assistance of senses, perceptions, mind and body to do deeds but not God.
Nowadays, so many saints are writing books. What is the background to write their books? Background is clear that they have first studied or listened the preach from their Gurus, keeping aside the matter of truth or falsehood. And after studying or listening the same, they became able to write the books. So this is also fundamental law, based on which, the ancient Rishis first listened Vedas and when they became learned then only they wrote the Vedic books like Valmiki Ramayana, six shastras, Mahabharat (Bhagwad Geeta), Upanishads, etc., etc. So, first the knowledge of Vedas is initiated in the universe and afterwards other books come into existence.
Somebody may say that human beings have knowledge by their nature to create anything like books etc., but we see that the newly born baby who is nursed in a jungle, in the absence of knowledge of a learned person, he becomes incapable to do anything. Thus, he can’t be M.A, M.Sc, doctor etc. So there are two types of the words and meanings. First, eternal which are from Almighty God and second, natural made by human beings. Eternal word meanings are always from Vedas i.e., from God. After listening/studying Vedas, human beings become learned and then too based on their own natural knowledge, they make their own words and meanings, literature etc. But it is very much clear that in the absence of knowledge of Vedas, no one can become learned. Nowadays, also people live in dense jungle and do not lead a civilized life because they are not learned as cited above. Vedas are not sects because they emanate direct from God and God is one for all human beings. God creates sun, moon, air, water, food etc., which are meant for the best use of all human beings for their long, happy life, so are the Vedas.
So all human beings must accept Vedas as an eternal knowledge from God, for the benefit of whole creation.
Sunny: Pranaam,swamiji ..swamiji mereekfriend ne aapke baare mein bataya tha ki aapvedo dwara iswariya gyaan se logoka marg darshan karte hai..swamiji maine shaadi se pehle kisi ladkik saath saarirk samband stahpit nahi kiya,main kabhi kabhi masturbate zaroor karta tha but kisi ladki k saath samband nahi banaye..ab shaadi k saalbhar baad pata chala ki meri biwi k shaadi se pehle gair mardon k saath sharirk sambandh the…swamiji mujhe bohat kharaab laga..swamiji vedo dwara kya main bhi ek aisi stree deserve karta tha jisne kisi k saath sarirk samband nahi banaye,haan main masturbrate karta tha swamijibut kya yeh bohat bada paap ..hai..kya issey karne k baad main agar aisi biwi ki apeksha rakhta hu jine pehle sarirk sambandh sthapit nahi kiye ,toh kya iska mujhe vedic haq hai? aur agar swamiji haq hai toh agar jaise maine kabhi sex shaadi k pehle nahi kiya par meribiwi gair mardo k saath sambandh sthait kar chuki thi..tab aisi stiti mein mujhe ab vedo dwara kya karna chahiye?..swamiji maine jab yeh question internet par daala toh log mujhe hi gaaliya de rahe the ..ki virginty koiadhaar nahi hai shaadi ka kisne kaha tha tujhe virgin rehne k liye..aur agar ab teri biwi tujhe pyaar karti hai toh kya hua agar woh gair mardok saath sambandh sthapit kar chuki hai? swamiji vedo dwara main kya aisi biwi k layak hu..maine kabhikisi aurat k saath sambandh nahi banaye haan
q1)brahmcharya ka poora palan karna bohat bada paap hai?
q2)Agar maine sharirk sambandh nahi banaya kisi stree se.aur iske baad agar main apni patni se bhi yahi umeed kar raha huki usne bhi sambandh na banay ho toh kya mujhe iska vedo dwara haq hai?
q3)aur jab mujhe pata chal gaya ki uske sambandh shaadik pehle the toh ab main vedo dwara kya karun?
Swami Ramswarup: My blessings to you. Aapne shadi se pehle kisi ladki se shareerik sambandh nahi banaye to yeh aapka apna kiya Vedic shubh karma hai aur iska punnya aur sukh Ishwar aapko avashya dega, aisa Ishwar ka vedon mein banaya niyam hai. Yajurved mantra 7/48 mein kaha ki jeevatma shubh-shubh karma karne mein Samarth hai lekin un karmon ka phal kramashaha sukh aur dukh ke roop mein Ishwar deta hai. Doosree yeh dukh kee baat hai ki apkee patni ne Vedic niyam tode isliye swabhawik hee Ishwar ne usey is paap ka phal dukh ke rooop mein avashya hee dena hai, yeh karma phal kee philosophy hai. Ab jub aapkee dharampatni apne kiye paap karma ka phal bhogegee hee, to ab nyay aapke hath mein hai ki aap uske paap karma ko nazarandaz karke grihasth ashram ko sukhi banate hain athwa aap usko dubara koi dand dena chahte hain. Kyunki dand to kewal Ishwar hee deta hai. Ab nirnnaya aapke hath mein hai. Rigved mantra 10/135/1,2 ka yahi bhav hai
Idea of Rigved mantra 10/135/1,2, 3, 4
Rigved mantra 10/135/1,2, 3 we’ve been blessed with the human body to face the result of our previous lives’ deeds – good and bad, in the shape of happiness and sorrows. When we’ve to face bad deeds then naturally everybody says that it is our bad luck but mostly people do not think that God has done justice and the sorrows/problems given by God is the result of our said deeds. Further, the ved mantra 4 state that if a person makes contact with learned acharya of Vedas and yoga philosophy and becomes able to gain knowledge of Vedas and obey preach of Vedas then the effect of bad deeds is automatically destroyed and future becomes bright. Secondly, God helps those who help themselves. So, hardworking, devotion and dedication also makes future bright.
Rigved 10/135/1, 2, 3, 4 ka yahi bhaav hai ki manushya ka yeh janam pichhley janam ke kiye punnya paap karmon ka phal bhogne ke liye mila hai. To jitni der punnya karma ka phal mahina, do mahina, saal ,do saal rahega, utnee deir tak to weh manushya, is janam mein kiye paap karmon ko karta hua bhi pichhley janam ka punnya phal sukh ke roop mein hee bhogega . Jab punnya phal ka time samapt ho jayega tab weh manushya paap karma ka phal dukh ke roop mein bhogega. Yeh ved mantra, yeh bhi kehta hai ki jo is janam mein hum paap karte hain uska phal dukh ke roop mein agley janamon mein bhoga jaata hai. Isiliye log zydatar yahi sochtey hain ki kitne hee insaan paap karma karte hain lekin sukhi dikhayee deite hain. Unhein yeh maaloom nahin ki weh pichhley janam ke kiye karmon ka sukh bhog rahey hain. Iska example Ravanna bhi hai ki jab tak uska paap ka ghada nahin bhara, usnein sukh bhoga aur jaisey hee paap karne ka time khatam ho gaya uskee sone ki Lanka ujad gayee.
Doosree baat yeh hai ki Ishwar bhakti ke bina koi bhi sukh parpt nahin kar sakta. isliye jo insaan aaj pichhley janamon ke punnya phal se dhan –parivar aadi ka sukh bhog rahey hain, weh bhi yadi Ishwar ki ved anusar bhakti nahin karte to dikhinge to weh sukhi par mansik dukh unhein andar hee andar sataata hee rehta hai. Isliye ved kahte hain ki manushya ka yeh janam pakar vedon ke anusar Ishwar bhakti karte hue pichhle janamon ke dukh deney wale karmon ko nasht kiya ja sakta hai aur is prakar ek lambi sukhmayee aayu parapt kee ja saktee hai.
Atah pati-patni ka milna bhi Ishwar dwara banayee srishti ke niyam mein hee aata hai. Arthat apkee istree ko Ishwar dand avashya dega. Atah yeh sochna galat hai ki apne shadi se pehle koi pap nahi kiya to uska aap pachhtava karein yeh galat hai. Agar aap paap karte to sazaa aapko bhi milti. Atah ab to prashan yeh hai ki aapko apnee patni se aur apkee patni ko apse aatmik/sachcha pyar hai ya nahi. Hai to punnyavaan karma hai nahi to paap hai aur ab apke grihasth ashram mein koi paap nahi hona chahiye. Jo paap apne bhi kiya hai, uskee bhi sazaa Vedic niyam anusar Ishwar dega hee. Sach to yeh hai ki kisi bhi nar-nari ko Ishwar ka gyan vedon se prapt karke sada shubh karma hee karne chahiye. Paap karma ko karne ka sochna bhi maha paap hai phir yadi paap karma kar liya hai to uskee aur bhi kadi sazaa miltee hai aur jeevatma bhinn-2 yoniyon mein arthat mrityu ke pashchat jeevatma pashu-pakhi, keet-patang aadi neech yoniyon mein jaakar sadaa dukh hee dukh bhogtee hai parantu yeh baat bina Vedic gyan prapt kiye kisi ko bhi samajh nahin aatee isliye aam nar-nari paap karma karne se nahin darte. Kaam, krodh, mad, lobh, ahankar, jealousy, dwesh, nafrat, hinsa, chuglee aadi mein phans kar Jeevan barbaad karte hain. Manushya yoni mein ved gyan ko prapt karna Ishwar kee agya hai jo aaj bhautikwaad kee chamak-damak mein phans kar nibhaaye nahin ja rahee isliye aaj yeh kaha jaata hai- “nanak dukhiya sab sansaar”. Vastutaha shareerik pyar kshan-bhangur hai, naashvaan hai, dukhdayee hai atah atmik pyar hee sarvashreshth hai, punnyavaan hai. Ab apnee biwi ko rakhna, pyar karna, aapkey liye hitkari, punnyavaan hai, Vedic niyam hai. Parantu yadi ab weh koi paap kartee hai to ved usko ghar se nikaal dene kee agya deta hai. Nirnnaye aapke haath mein hai.