PM: Namaskar ji, Q1) ARE Vedas begning or end of knowledge/science?
Q2) Many Islamic scholars are saying there is no re- incarnation in Vedas on heaven and hell. Also Shri Krishna in Bhagwat geeta has said ” those who are devoted to letter of Vedas and take nothing beyond heaven and hell as their goal do not really worship him. BG ch 2 vr.42/43. Please add reincarnation quotes on your website.
Swami Ram Swarup: Namaskar, please.
(1). You see Vedas’ knowledge emanates direct from Formless God. God is sanatan i.e., eternal. Sanatan means neither God is made from any matter nor any matter can be made from God. So, God is without any beginning or end i.e., He is everlasting and thus He is called immortal. I mean to say, so is the knowledge of four vedas which emanates direct from God. That is, vedas are also without any beginning and are endless. I also paste my article – Vedas’ philosophy.
God has made universe and blessed us human body to do pious deeds only. He has not made any heaven or hell. All have to face the result of their deeds, good or bad here only, even by taking rebirth. (Rigveda mantra 10/135/1,2)
God has not only made universe but has also given knowledge of four Vedas where answers to your and everyone’s questions have been given. There are four Vedas:
1. Rig Veda – gives knowledge of science, matter of the universe like sun, moon, air body etc., etc.
2. Yajurveda – gives knowledge of all the deeds and duties to be performed by men or women, students, leaders, king, agriculturist etc., etc., etc.
3 Samveda – gives knowledge how to worship God who gives peace and long happy life etc. In this way, details of Yoga philosophy, qualities, supreme deeds and nature of the God are also given.
4 Atharvaveda – gives details of God, medical science and details of medicine etc.
Actually in four Vedas there is unlimited knowledge. Yajurveda mantra 40/8 says that God is everywhere, is Almighty, formless, devoid of nervous system, purest, away from sins and away to face any result of any karmas (deeds), knows every soul, knows what is in everyone’s mind, no body has made God, but God creates universe, has given the eternal knowledge of four Vedas and always gives the said knowledge at the beginning of every universe to know the science and deeds to all concern. Similarly four Vedas say about God that God is an omnipresent, omniscient, formless, beyond imagination and beyond calculation. Actually God has unlimited qualities. There is only one God who creates, nurses, destroys the universe and again creates. Atharvaveda mantra 4/1/1 also says that God gives the knowledge of Vedas at the beginning of the earth to four Rishis of unsexual creation. And thereafter only public listens Vedas through Rishis Munis as yet and become learned. Rig-Veda gives knowledge of Almighty, Yajurveda gives knowledge of karmas (deeds), Samveda tells about worship-Yoga philosophy and Atharvaveda about medicines and God. Actually all Vedas commonly says about God also, so this is about Vedas in short. But the knowledge of Vedas is endless.
It is a fundamental law that knowledge is always given by somebody otherwise knowledge can’t be gained at any cost. If a new born baby is nursed well in a dense jungle and is not educated then he will not be able to gain any knowledge. So we have to think about the origin of the knowledge prevalent in the world today. In this connection all Vedas themselves say that God gives this knowledge to four Rishis. As has also been said by Rishi Patanjali in yoga shastra sutra 1/26, God is first Guru of the four Rishis. Yajurveda mantra 31/7 also refers. This is all in short about Vedas.
The Vedas are not a book, rather it is a knowledge originated in the heart of Rishis. At the time of beginning of the earth those Rishis preached Vedas by mouth and all others remembered the same by mouth at that time there was no pen, pencil, paper, etc. This process of studying Vedas by mouth remained till Mahabharata time. Muni Vyas too remembered Vedas traditionally by mouth. Then Muni Vyas first time wrote the Vedas on Bhoj patra about 5300 years ago. In 16th century when printing press came into existence then the Vedas were printed. Still Vedas are not those which have been printed but Vedas are those which are preached by mouth by an Acharya/yogi and the printed Vedas are called Sanhita.
Now if somebody worships a statue etc., i.e., its their own creation please but Vedas deny. According to Vedas the best worship of the God is Yajyen (Yajna) for which all Vedas are self-proof. Yajurveda mantra 31/16 says that the learned persons worship God by Yajyen.
So many people have asked me that most of the scholars/preachers of different religion state that their religion incorporates all matters of the world including science. What about Vedas? I wrote so many Ved Mantras describing science matters therein. For example, Yajurvaveda Mantra 3/6 states “Ayam Gauhu Swaha Pitram Puraha Prayan Mataram Prishnihi Aakrameet Asadat”.
Meaning= This earth revolves around the Sun in the space and it also rotates on its own axis. Vedas are eternal like God because Vedas emanate from God. Now, according to Vedas, this present creation is about 1 Arab, 96 crores, 8 lakh and about 53,000 years old. So are the Vedas but as said in Rigveda Mantra 10/191/3 the present creation is same as was the previous one and this process of creation is eternal. So are the Vedas which emanate from eternal God. This all concludes that Vedas are the oldest in this creation also and no other book of science, maths or pertaining to spiritualism is written before Vedas.
Like the above example of rotation and revolution of earth, the significance of whole present science is mentioned in Vedas. We can see that whatever is happening in the universe, is all according to the Vedas. For example, occurance of six seasons, actions of Sun, moon, process of death, birth, worship, yoga philosophy, atomic energy, agriculture, animal husbandry, knowledge of politics, administration, architecture, solar energy, knowledge of home appliances like mixer, grinder, business rules, about men, women, children, marriage, Brahamcharya, education, clothes etc., etc., i.e., knowledge right from a straw to Brahma is all in Vedas. God is Almighty and has unlimited powers. So through His power He is able to originate the knowledge of Vedas in the heart of four Rishis without pencil, paper, help of mouth or any other worldly assistance.
We, i.e., the whole world depends on Almighty God but God is forever independent. That is why, He is God. We are the souls who reside in human bodies. We need assistance of senses, perceptions, mind and body to do deeds but not God.
Nowadays, so many saints are writing books. What is the background to right their books? Background is clear that they have first studied or listened the preach from their Gurus, keeping aside the matter of truth or falsehood. And after studying or listening the same, they became able to write the books. So this is also fundamental law, based on which, the ancient Rishis first listened Vedas and when they became learned then only they wrote the Vedic books like Valmikee Ramayana, six shastras, Mahabharata (Bhagwad Geeta), Upanishads, etc., etc. So, first the knowledge of Vedas is initiated in the universe and afterwards other books come into existence.
Somebody may say that human beings have knowledge by their nature to create anything like books etc., but we see that the newly born baby who is nursed in a jungle, in the absence of knowledge of a learned person, he becomes incapable to do anything. Thus, he can’t be M.A, M.Sc, doctor etc. So there are two types of the words and meanings. First, eternal which are from Almighty God and second, natural made by human beings. Eternal word meanings are always from Vedas i.e., from God. After listening/studying Vedas, human-beings become learned and then too based on their own natural knowledge, they make their own words and meanings, literature etc. But it is very much clear that in the absence of knowledge of Vedas, no one can become learned. Nowadays, also people live in dense jungle and do not lead a civilized life because they are not learned as cited above. Vedas are not sects because they emanate direct from God and God is one for all human beings. God creates sun, moon, air, water, food etc., which are meant for the best use of all human-beings for their long, happy life. So are the Vedas.
So all human beings must accept Vedas as an eternal knowledge from God, for the benefit of whole creation.
(2) No doubt, Vedas never tell about heaven and hell but state that heaven is the house for the family members where Vedas’ knowledge is gained. I paste one of my articles in this regard—-
Swarg and narak are on earth only based on the deeds of previous lives’ please, because the deeds of present life will be borne in the future life. Punishment is given to bear the result of past deeds only without considering that individual repents or not. If one has to repent then while experiencing enjoyment of worldly articles, he always sees the other poor, defaulters, orphans, lame, leprosy patients and moreover several deaths which cause sorrows, as the result of previous deeds. But very few repent and become ascetic. In this connection Rig-Veda mantra 10/135/2 says that God has given the human body to face the result of the past sins. And whatever sins the individual does in the present life he will face the same in the next births. But those who go to a learned Acharya and follow the true path while discharging family duties, they kill the previous sins in this life and have no sin to bear in the next life because such persons always do pious deeds under the guidance of a learned Acharya who knows Vedas.
The person is given punishment in another life because he has to face the result of the deeds of past lives’ in the present birth and thus no scope of bearing the sins in the present life of deeds (sinful) done in the present life. This is a fundamental law of Vedas which I have written so many times stating three types of karmas and would request you to please see www.vedmandir.com also in this connection. This human life is only blessed to go to a learned Acharya, to understand philosophy of good and bad deeds, sins, philosophy of worship, aim of life, duties etc., as is also said in Rig-Veda mantra 10/135/3.
But Vedas clearly state about rebirth, please.
As regards Geeta shloka 2/42 and 43 the shlokas state that mere study of Vedas is of no use. However, without knowing Vedic knowledge nothing can be attained. So, reality has been mentioned in Vedas that first of all, we’ve to understand about the creation, universal matters, science etc., from Rigveda, the form of pious deeds/moral duties etc., from Yajurveda and eternal worship of God from Samveda and medicines etc., from Atharvaveda without which no one can be happy. So, when by virtue of the words and meanings, we would be able to know the said matters, then we’ve to adopt i.e., we’ve to act accordingly in our lives. Then only a person would be able to realise truth and God. Actually, eternal knowledge is in Vedas whatever has been told by Sri Krishna Maharaj, that fact has been told from Vedas only, otherwise from where could’ve the knowledge originated in pious mind of Sri Krishna Maharaj because knowledge is gained when it is given by some one. I mean to say whatever you have read in above quoted shloka of Bhagwad Geeta the idea has been taken from the eternal knowledge of Vedas. Where Rigveda mantra 1/164/39 states that mere studies of the Vedas will go in vain if the same is not held practically in the life and God is not realised i.e., main motto of Vedas is to understand the knowledge first literally from Vedas and then practically, until God is realised. So the idea of above quoted Shloka of Bhagwad Geeta came from Vedas and he who never listens Vedas and writes against Vedas is not doing justice for himself. I’ve several times stated that mere study of Bhagwad Geeta will also do nothing and mostly people in the absence of Vedas’ knowledge fail to understand the deepness/reality of shloka of Bhagwad Geeta.
Question arises why? Answer is because Bhagwad Geeta has been written by Vyas muniji and orated by Yogeshwar Sri Krishna Maharaj. Both the dignitaries were philosophers of Vedas and ashtang Yoga Philosophy. So, no one is able to grasp the idea of Vyas muniji and Sri Krishna Maharaj until he knows Vedas.
I’ve written detailed comments on each Shloka of Bhagwad Geeta in Hindi, upto chapter 12, quoting Ved mantras, as proof. I would advise you to study the same, if possible.
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Rajat: I wish to know whether I am manglik or not? Also please tell me what is correct way to worship sun and saturn through mantras and rituals?
Swami Ram Swarup: In this connection, you’re advised to make contact with local pandit, please because Vedas do not advice/ tell about mangalik etc. So learned do not accept it.
Renuka: I want to know the correct procedure and mantras for gandharva….
Swami Ram Swarup: Gandharva has several meaning like those who sings Samveda songs etc. Please, clarify your question about procedure and mantras.