Mohammad Tausif: Your excellency Shri Swamiji: Mene apse pehle bhi kayee baar sawaal kiya he aur mujhe uchit jawaab aapse mili hai me aapka bohot aadar karta hu.mere mann me ek aur sawaal he mere bohot saare hindu dost hai jo kehte hai ki ek insaan key saat janam hote hai aur apne karmo ke badolat wo agle janam me peda hote hai,jabke mere dharam ye to nhi kha gaya hai balke ye kaha he ke insaan ka janam hua fir mrityu aur fir jis tarha wo zindagi guzara uske karmo k badolat ya to swarg ya nark,me aapse ye janna chahta hu ki vedo ne is saat janam ke bare me kya kaha hai.
Swami Ram Swarup: Tausif Bhaijan, salaam. Main bhi aapkee tarah us Ishwar-Khuda ka ek adna sa banda hoon aur mere dil mein saaree kaynaat ke manushyon, jeev-jantuyon ke liye pyar hai. Wahi pyar main aapse bhi karta hoon kyunki chaar Ved aur har mazhab pyar ka hee updesh karta hai jise hamein apney jeevan mein dhalna hai. Bhaijan mera matlab hai ki aisey pyar mein Raja- rank, Phakir sab baraabar hotey hain. Yeh duniya hee Us Maalik kee hai, Jisney hamein paida kiya aur hum sab aapas main ek jaisey hain.
Sach jano main excellency nahin hoon, main aapka bhai hoon aur bhai se bhai ka prem barabar, unke beech mein koi excellency nahin hotee. Aapne jo prashna kiya hai, uske bare mein Rigved mantra 10/135/1,2 mein kaha hai ki Ishwar ne pichhle janamon ke hamare khud ke kiye hue paap-punnya kee buniyad par hamein yeh present ka manushya janam diya hai. Mantra mein yeh bhi samjhaya ki yeh manushya ka janam kyun diya? Kyunki Ishwar ka yeh asool hai ki hum is janam mein apne pichhley janam ke kiye hue paap-punnya karmon ko kramshaha dukh aur sukh ke roop mein bhogein aur jo kuchh hum is janam mein achchhey burey karma kareingey to mantra mein kaha weh hamein agley janamon mein bhogna hai. Rigved mandal 10, sukta 129 mein kaha ki pralaya (after final destruction of universe) ke baad jub new duniya Ishwar banata hai to Weh pichhlee duniya, jiskee pralaya hue thee usmein yeh shareer tyag kar jo jeevatmayein (roohein) thee unko karmon ke hisaab se God, manushya –pashu-pakshi aadi kee yoniyon mein janam deta hai. Rigved 10/114/8 mein bhi Ishwar nein kaha ki anginat yoniyan hain jismein jeev karmanusar janam lekar dukh-sukh uthata hai. Han!ek baat upar kahe Rigved mantra 10/135/4 mein yeh kahi hai ki janam-marann ka silsala tabhi khatam hota hai jub koi vidwaan , Rishi-muni phakir se khudai gyan leikar uspar chalkar shubh karma karte hue , paap karma se door hota hua, saree kayanat se pyar karta hua, jaisa apna bhala chahta hai , waisa doosron ka bhala karta hua, Us Khuda ko ya kaho Us Ishwar ko pa leita hai aur moksha pad prapt kar leita hai, nahin to yeh janam-mrityu , sukh-dukh bhogney ka silsila aur anant yoniyon mein bhatakne ka silsila chalta rehta hai.
Aur jo mrityu ke baad swarg, narak ka zikr bhi charon vedon mein hai, jiska vedon mein matlab yeh hai ki achchhey karma karne wale swarg yani har prakar se sukhi aur nirog jeevan bitatein hain aur narak ka arth hai paap karma bhogne wale sadaa dukhi rehte hain jise vedon mein narak bhogan kaha hai. Aur yeh swarg-narak dono prithivi par hee bhogey jaate hain. Isliye apke dharma aur vedic dharma mein aisa koi khas pharak nahin hai, yeh hamein samjhna hoga kyunki swarg aur narak (jannat aur jahannum) in dono ka varnnan vedon mein bhi hai aur apke dharma mein bhi hai. Hamein dharma par chalet hue, darasal rozana Ishwar kee ibadut aur dharma ke achchhey – achchhey updesh ko jeevan mein apnatey hue jeevan guzarna chahiye. Hamaree indriyan sanyam mein hon, burey karma na karey to phir mann mein shanti aur Us janam dene wale Data kee prapti hotee hai, chahe Vedon par chale chahe Quran Sharief par chale.
Sabka aadar karna Us Khuda-Ishwar nein hamein bataya hai.
Veer: What is God?
Swami Ram Swarup: The creator of the universe nurses the universe and destroys the universe is called God. Brief about almighty God is mentioned in four Vedas and Vedas is an eternal knowledge which emanates directly from God in the beginning of each creation. So, to know more about Almighty God, one will have to make contact with learned of Vedas and Ashtang Yoga to study Vedas and practice Ashtang Yoga Philosophy etc.
I also paste one of my article below :-
REVERT BACK TO VEDAS
It is the essence of Vedic spiritualism that whenever an aspirant enters into it then learned acharya preaches him that Vedas are the divine voice of God, which by the power of God, are originated in the heart of four Rishis, at the beginning of each creation. Learneds who indulge in deep study of Vedas know that Vedas are alive knowledge which emanate directly from God and hence they have not been written by anyone on the earth, in the shape of a book. Since, the said knowledge is applicable to all humans right from the beginning of earth hence Vedas are not sects.
Infact, Kapil Muni, after traditionally studying Vedas and realising the truth after hard practice of Ashtang Yog, also states the said truth in his Sankhya shastra sutra 5/51 that Vedas are alive knowledge hence ved mantras wield the power and self-capability to make such faithful aspirants, who are involved in deep and sincere study of Vedas, to understand the meaning and idea of ved mantras. This is the reason that Kapil Muni states that Vedas are self-proof to justify the truth. To elaborate, knowledge given in ved mantra or any fact stated through ved mantras does not require to be validated/authenticated by other shastras or any other book [but like our Rishi-Munis, Rajrishis
and their public used to study Vedas traditionally with faith and sincere efforts, process being the Vedic order of Almighty God, for all human-beings, the said practice is not in vogue at present
times].God knows when inhabitants of India would be able to adopt the said moral duties, entrusted by God, of studying and following the Vedas, which destroys all the effects of sorrows and makes our future bright with long life and also spreads international brotherhood along with other unlimited benefits.
Secondly, universe has been created about one Arab, ninety six crore, eight lakhs, fifty three thousand and one hundred and thirteen years ago.
So, logically, Vedas have also been created at this time-period. Rishi-Munis acquired Vedas’ knowledge by listening to Vedas traditionally from acharya and did agnihotra/yajyen, name jaap of God and Ashtang yog practice as preached in Vedas. In turn, they realised God and got the knowledge by doing pious deeds while leading the family life, making their future happy and bright, according to Vedas. Then they further educated people about the same because it has been
the benevolent nature of every learned person, who gains Vedic knowledge and experiences, divine pleasure, to share it with others. About five-six thousand years ago, Rishis wrote six shastras,
upnishads, Mahabharat (including Bhagwad Geeta) and Valmiki Ramayan much before all these books, based on the knowledge of Vedas. All these great writers – the Rishis, have eulogised Vedas in their literary works and based on their experience have admitted that Vedas are the divine voice of God.
That is why, Kapil Muni in his Sankhya shastra sutra 1/66 and Patanjali Rishi in his Yog shastra sutra 1/7 have shared their experience to educate us that the preach of any Rishi (Mantradrishta
Rishi) is also considered as a proof to reach at truth. And also the holy books written by the Rishis based on Vedic culture are also considered as proof called ‘Partah Pramann’, Vedas being Swatah
Pramann. Is it not our bad luck that the said secrets of Vedas are now mostly unknown to people and at this juncture, so called preach of any modern saint (sant who is against the Vedas) which does not tally with Vedic culture and which is definitely considered by learned of Vedas as totally false/unauthentic, is being accepted happily by the innocent public? If we consider impartially then we would find that the said matter is definitely harmful to the society, being against the Vedas because it does not come within the parameter of Vedic authenticity. Now, question is that who will bell the cat?
Duly indulged in illusion and mostly intention being after the materialistic articles etc., hardly anybody spares the time to study the literary works of Rishis like Upnishads, Shastras, Nighantu,
Ashtadhyayee, Shatpath Brahmin Granth and above quoted holy books which contain abundant proofs of ved mantras. Hence, when one will fail to study these great literary works of Rishis, under the guidance of learned acharya of Vedas. Then naturally anyone will cast doubt over the Vedas which implies non-awareness of Vedic knowledge. Nowadays, people study the so-called spiritual books written by ordinary people but not those written by Rishis. It shall not out of place to mention here that Atharvaveda mantra 7/105/1 preaches us to study Vedas or to study the spiritual books written by Rishi-Munis. The mantra strongly stresses not to study such books which are written by ordinary people. This secret has been made unknown to the public by several saints, that Vedas, Yajyen and yogabhyas are difficult and need not to be studied/performed. People do not know that God states to study Vedas and perform daily agnihotra/Yajyen, name jaap of God and practice of Ashtang yog under the expert guidance of learned acharya.
Due to ignorance of the same, people are not able to understand that they are doing sins by not obeying the God’s order of studying Vedas and doing yajyen etc. On the other hand, they are accepting the juicy lecture of saints, who are against the Vedas and who are mostly professional. Moreover, all the present sects along with their pious books have emerged about two thousand to two thousand and five hundred years ago. As compared to this, Vedas have been on this earth since
One Arab, ninety six crore, eight lakhs, fifty three thousand and one hundred and thirteen years ago. As mentioned above, Vedas are not a book. That is why, it has become difficult to repose faith in Vedas, in the absence of deep study under guidance of learned acharya of Vedas and Ashtang Yog.
Yet, it is a well-known fact spread by the tapasvis, Rishis-Munis by their preach and above quoted spiritual books that Vedas are eternal and immortal knowledge which emanate directly from God. This fact is even supported by renowned scientists like Maxmuller and many others who believe in authenticity of Vedas. It is further a well-known fact that Vedas have been preserved in world libraries with respect and honour, accepting Vedas as first and the most ancient literature. I mean to say that Vedas are the first knowledge which came on the earth. It was spread orally through the tradition of acharya and disciple, right from the beginning of the earth, as mentioned above.
So, Vedas were remembered by heart by everyone. About five thousand three hundred years ago, for the first time, Vyas Muniji, who himself remembered the Vedas by heart traditionally, wrote them on Bhojpatra for the benefit of mankind. He completed the said pious task on the day of poornnima, about five thousand three hundred years ago. Since, then the poornnima has been named and remembered as Vyas Poornnima. Further, when printing press came into existence in sixteenth century, the Vedas written on Bhoj patra by Vyas Muniji were printed in the form of book which is called “Samhita” and not ved. Samhita means collection of ved mantras which has been printed. Half of the intellectuals of the world believe Vedas to be the divine voice of God and yet half of the intellectuals believe that Vedas have been written by some great scientist who has no parallel to himself in the entire world. But learned of Vedas know that God is the scientist of all scientists and no one is born even equivalent to such God nor shall be born in future. Then what to talk about being above the God. It is also pertinent to mention here that eighteen chapters of Bheeshma parv of Mahabharat have been secluded, named and printed as Bhagwad Geeta. Infact, Yogeshwar Sri Krishna Maharaj has praised and eulogised Vedas in Bhagwad Geeta. The above stated facts are known only to learned of Vedas. The saints who are ignorant of the knowledge of Vedas are naturally ignorant of the Vedas’ knowledge contained in Bhagwad Geeta and are therefore compelled not to explain the shloka of Bhagwad Geeta, briefly and truly wherein the reference and truth of Ved mantras exists. Why? Because they have not studied Vedas.
However, most of the present literary works and most of the saints are reiterating the fact that Vedas are divine voice of God. In this connection, Almighty, omnipresent, formless God has already stated in Atharvaveda mantra 12/5/40 that those who do not study Vedas but take a piecemeal (portion) of Ved mantras, only which suits them, by means of studying other books etc., or listening from anywhere else [not based on traditional study of Vedas] will be punished by me (God). Isn’t it surprising that yet no one is taking the initiative to study Vedas. On the contrary, those deeds which are against the Vedas and promote blind faith are being done on large scale. To experience the truth, we will have to revert back to Vedas.