Nachiketa: Swami ji Namaste You are Yogacharya. Kindly answer this question-
Parinaam taap sanskar dukhair guna vritti virodhachch dukhmev sarva vivekinah. Patanjali says that Viveki experiences sorrows. why sorrow ? why Viveki feels sorrows. i think Patanjali was sinner. because sin is the cause of sorrows. one more thing is wrong in patanjali yog darshan. he says “dukhagyaanaanant falah pratipaksh bhavanam. if Karma is limited then why he wrote that we should feel Anant fal. Anant fal is impossible. kindly answer my two questions above.
Swami Ram Swarup: Namasteji. It is very unfortunate, objectionable and sinful views that you have told the great, adorable, Yogi Patanjali as a sinner.
You see, Atharvaved mantra 4/11/7 states that such Yogis are equivalent to God but the people who have not studied divine Sanskrit and divine ved mantras but follow the path of such saints who are ignorant of Vedic culture and have the audacity to produce themselves God, they usually insult Vedas and Shastras, etc.
Reason behind that they are ignorant of Sanskrit language, lack Vedas’ knowledge and do not indulge in hard practice of Ashtang Yog philosophy which has been preached by God Himself in Vedas. Such, so called saints also give pravachan on the pious and true granth i.e., Bhagwad Geeta or Upnishads etc., but we will have to think here that Bhagwad Geeta and Upnishads have been written by those adorable Rishi-Munis who from their childhood made contact with learned Rishi-Muni and did hard tapasya to learn Vedas, to do daily Yajyen with Ved mantras, name jaap of God and hard practice of Ashtang Yog. Thereafter, they attained Samadhi i.e., realized God and realized all eternal Vedic knowledge. After realization only, they started writing Shastras, Upnishads, Bhgawad Geeta, Mahabharat, Valmiki Ramayan and other holy granths completely based on Vedic knowledge. That is why, Kapil Muni, the writer of Sankhya shastra in his sutra 3/79 states that a Rishi-Muni/Yogi only speaks truth because he speaks all that which he has realized. Further he states that if an alive Yogi will not be on the earth then a tradition of blind faith (refers Sanhkya sutra 3/81)will begin because the preacher other than Rishi-muni or Yogi (so called saints) will speak based on bookish knowledge only that too with wrong meaning of Shastras etc., due to lack of Vedas’ knowledge and Sanskrit quoted above. So, I hope, as a good aspirant like you will not insult the Rishi-Munis etc., in future, please.
Now, I explain real meaning of Yog Shastra sutra 2/15 i.e., Parinaam taap sanskar dukhair………. sarva vivekinah.”
Meaning- ( Parinaam taap sanskar dukhaihee) Parinaam dukh, taap dukh aur sanskar dukh. From the said three sorrows (Gunn vritti virodhaat) due to the opposite action/quality amongst the three gunnas of Prakriti i.e., Raj, Tam and Satva (Cha) and (Vivekinaha) for the Yogi who has attained knowledge i.e., who has attained vivek those all are meant for sorrows.
Idea- That a Yogi sees sorrows in parinaam dukh, taap dukh and sanskar dukh generated from Raj, Tam and Satva gunnas, so he (Yogi) destroys it by his tapasya. It means for Yogi, all the worldly pleasure, generated from above three quoted qualities of Prakriti, results in sorrows. So, a Yogi disengages himself from worldly pleasures knowing that its result always give sorrows. That is why, Patanjali Rishi in his above sutra tells that for a Yogi, who has got vivek, the worldly pleasures, which at the end gives parinaam dukh, taap dukh and sanskar dukh, are in reality sorrows for him, so he leaves the worldly pleasures.
Actually by the grace of God, the lengthy meaning of this sutra along with other sutras has been written by me in my book named Patnajal Yog Darshan (in Hindi) Part I worth Rs.131/-, excluding postal charges. It can be sent on receipt of your postal address, if you desire.
Idea of Yog Shastra Sutra 2/34 quoted in your query is this that in the matter of violence, A Yogi must think that the violence is against the Ashtang Yog philosophy. Violence creates unlimited sorrows and ignorance. Therefore, Yogi always thinks against it, i.e., he keeps himself away from violence and keeps himself indulged in daily tapasya.
I would again advise you to read detailed commentary on Patanjal Yog Darshan quoted above. You see, the births are unlimited. Soul based on his previous lives’ deeds gets different types of bodies. Soul is immortal, so births are also immortal and therefore births are unlimited. In each birth, the soul does deeds. So, in unlimited births, there are unlimited deeds unless deeds are destroyed by above quoted worship soul attains salvation. I would also like to paste my article as under-
REVERT BACK TO VEDAS
It is the essence of Vedic spiritualism that whenever an aspirant enters into it then learned acharya preaches him that Vedas are the divine voice of God, which by the power of God, are originated in the heart of four Rishis, at the beginning of each creation. Learneds who indulge in deep study of Vedas know that Vedas are alive knowledge which emanate directly from God and hence they have not been written by anyone on the earth, in the shape of a book. Since, the said knowledge is applicable to all humans right from the beginning of earth hence Vedas are not sects.
Infact, Kapil Muni, after traditionally studying Vedas and realising the truth after hard practice of Ashtang Yog, also states the said truth in his Sankhya shastra sutra 5/51 that Vedas are alive knowledge hence ved mantras wield the power and self-capability to make such faithful aspirants, who are involved in deep and sincere study of Vedas, to understand the meaning and idea of ved mantras. This is the reason that Kapil Muni states that Vedas are self-proof to justify the truth. To elaborate, knowledge given in ved mantra or any fact stated through ved mantras does not require to be validated/authenticated by other shastras or any other book [but like our Rishi-Munis, Rajrishis
and their public used to study Vedas traditionally with faith and sincere efforts, process being the Vedic order of Almighty God, for all human-beings, the said practice is not in vogue at present
times].God knows when inhabitants of India would be able to adopt the said moral duties, entrusted by God, of studying and following the Vedas, which destroys all the effects of sorrows and makes our future bright with long life and also spreads international brotherhood along with other unlimited benefits.
Secondly, universe has been created about one Arab, ninety six crore, eight lakhs, fifty three thousand and one hundred and thirteen years ago.
So, logically, Vedas have also been created at this time-period. Rishi-Munis acquired Vedas’ knowledge by listening to Vedas traditionally from acharya and did agnihotra/yajyen, name jaap of God and Ashtang yog practice as preached in Vedas. In turn, they realised God and got the knowledge by doing pious deeds while leading the family life, making their future happy and bright, according to Vedas. Then they further educated people about the same because it has been
the benevolent nature of every learned person, who gains Vedic knowledge and experiences, divine pleasure, to share it with others. About five-six thousand years ago, Rishis wrote six shastras,
upnishads, Mahabharat (including Bhagwad Geeta) and Valmiki Ramayan much before all these books, based on the knowledge of Vedas. All these great writers – the Rishis, have eulogised Vedas in their literary works and based on their experience have admitted that Vedas are the divine voice of God.
That is why, Kapil Muni in his Sankhya shastra sutra 1/66 and Patanjali Rishi in his Yog shastra sutra 1/7 have shared their experience to educate us that the preach of any Rishi (Mantradrishta
Rishi) is also considered as a proof to reach at truth. And also the holy books written by the Rishis based on Vedic culture are also considered as proof called ‘Partah Pramann’, Vedas being Swatah
Pramann. Is it not our bad luck that the said secrets of Vedas are now mostly unknown to people and at this juncture, so called preach of any modern saint (sant who is against the Vedas) which does not tally with Vedic culture and which is definitely considered by learned of Vedas as totally false/unauthentic, is being accepted happily by the innocent public? If we consider impartially then we would find that the said matter is definitely harmful to the society, being against the Vedas because it does not come within the parameter of Vedic authenticity. Now, question is that who will bell the cat?
Duly indulged in illusion and mostly intention being after the materialistic articles etc., hardly anybody spares the time to study the literary works of Rishis like Upnishads, Shastras, Nighantu,
Ashtadhyayee, Shatpath Brahmin Granth and above quoted holy books which contain abundant proofs of ved mantras. Hence, when one will fail to study these great literary works of Rishis, under the guidance of learned acharya of Vedas. Then naturally anyone will cast doubt over the Vedas which implies non-awareness of Vedic knowledge. Nowadays, people study the so-called spiritual books written by ordinary people but not those written by Rishis. It shall not out of place to mention here that Atharvaveda mantra 7/105/1 preaches us to study Vedas or to study the spiritual books written by Rishi-Munis. The mantra strongly stresses not to study such books which are written by ordinary people. This secret has been made unknown to the public by several saints, that Vedas, Yajyen and yogabhyas are difficult and need not to be studied/performed. People do not know that God states to study Vedas and perform daily agnihotra/Yajyen, name jaap of God and practice of Ashtang yog under the expert guidance of learned acharya.
Due to ignorance of the same, people are not able to understand that they are doing sins by not obeying the God’s order of studying Vedas and doing yajyen etc. On the other hand, they are accepting the juicy lecture of saints, who are against the Vedas and who are mostly professional. Moreover, all the present sects along with their pious books have emerged about two thousand to two thousand and five hundred years ago. As compared to this, Vedas have been on this earth since
One Arab, ninety six crore, eight lakhs, fifty three thousand and one hundred and thirteen years ago. As mentioned above, Vedas are not a book. That is why, it has become difficult to repose faith in Vedas, in the absence of deep study under guidance of learned acharya of Vedas and Ashtang Yog.
Yet, it is a well-known fact spread by the tapasvis, Rishis-Munis by their preach and above quoted spiritual books that Vedas are eternal and immortal knowledge which emanate directly from God. This fact is even supported by renowned scientists like Maxmuller and many others who believe in authenticity of Vedas. It is further a well-known fact that Vedas have been preserved in world libraries with respect and honour, accepting Vedas as first and the most ancient literature. I mean to say that Vedas are the first knowledge which came on the earth. It was spread orally through the tradition of acharya and disciple, right from the beginning of the earth, as mentioned above.
So, Vedas were remembered by heart by everyone. About five thousand three hundred years ago, for the first time, Vyas Muniji, who himself remembered the Vedas by heart traditionally, wrote them on Bhojpatra for the benefit of mankind. He completed the said pious task on the day of poornnima, about five thousand three hundred years ago. Since, then the poornnima has been named and remembered as Vyas Poornnima. Further, when printing press came into existence in sixteenth century, the Vedas written on Bhoj patra by Vyas Muniji were printed in the form of book which is called “Samhita” and not ved. Samhita means collection of ved mantras which has been printed. Half of the intellectuals of the world believe Vedas to be the divine voice of God and yet half of the intellectuals believe that Vedas have been written by some great scientist who has no parallel to himself in the entire world. But learned of Vedas know that God is the scientist of all scientists and no one is born even equivalent to such God nor shall be born in future. Then what to talk about being above the God. It is also pertinent to mention here that eighteen chapters of Bheeshma parv of Mahabharat have been secluded, named and printed as Bhagwad Geeta. Infact, Yogeshwar Sri Krishna Maharaj has praised and eulogised Vedas in Bhagwad Geeta. The above stated facts are known only to learned of Vedas. The saints who are ignorant of the knowledge of Vedas are naturally ignorant of the Vedas’ knowledge contained in Bhagwad Geeta and are therefore compelled not to explain the shloka of Bhagwad Geeta, briefly and truly wherein the reference and truth of Ved mantras exists. Why? Because they have not studied Vedas.
However, most of the present literary works and most of the saints are reiterating the fact that Vedas are divine voice of God. In this connection, Almighty, omnipresent, formless God has already stated in Atharvaveda mantra 12/5/40 that those who do not study Vedas but take a piecemeal (portion) of Ved mantras, only which suits them, by means of studying other books etc., or listening from anywhere else [not based on traditional study of Vedas] will be punished by me (God). Isn’t it surprising that yet no one is taking the initiative to study Vedas. On the contrary, those deeds which are against the Vedas and promote blind faith are being done on large scale. To experience the truth, we will have to revert back to Vedas.
Mu: Respected Guruji, it is said in ancient scriptures that ‘ satyam vad priyam vad’ what should be done if satya ( truth ) is not priya but needs to be told. Thanks
Swami Ram Swarup: My blessings to you. Priya means sin sweet and calm voice. For example- if a blind man is going and one person wanted to call him. In first instance, the person can call him by saying- Oh! blind man, come here. So, this s a truth that he is blind but the way used by the person to call him is not priya. He can use priya vanni (sweet voice) like this- Oh! Surdasji, please listen to me. So, Vedas tell – Speak truth in sweet and calm voice.